had several frosts, sunflowers still in garden, want to harvest them and save the seeds

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Wait until the entire sunflower fades and browns.  Watch the sunflower head as the seeds will grow and become more prominent.  If they start to pop out, or if birds become interested, cut the head off and put inside a brown paper bag.  Rub over the seeds with your hands until the seeds fall out and into the bag.  Keep them in paper bags until next spring!  I grew some great, big Mammoth Grey sunflowers from www.edenbrothers.com and they grew to be over 9 feet tall and I harvest the seeds from them every year!

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